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		<title>By: jack</title>
		<link>http://blog.codefront.net/2003/12/29/sending-trackback-pings-indiscriminately-makes-you-a-trackback-spammer/comment-page-1/#comment-90563</link>
		<dc:creator>jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ensight - Jeremy C. Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ensight - Jeremy C. Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;What The Hell @ Cemper.com?&lt;/strong&gt;
Has anyone else run into this? I&#039;ve gotten dozens of &quot;trackbacks&quot; from weblog.cemper.com. It&#039;s almost like trackbacks spam. It&#039;s not like his ideas are referencing my posts or are even related. It&#039;s getting a bit tiresome. Trackback spam? Maybe... Just...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>What The Hell @ Cemper.com?</strong><br />
Has anyone else run into this? I&#8217;ve gotten dozens of &#8220;trackbacks&#8221; from weblog.cemper.com. It&#8217;s almost like trackbacks spam. It&#8217;s not like his ideas are referencing my posts or are even related. It&#8217;s getting a bit tiresome. Trackback spam? Maybe&#8230; Just&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Swagu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swagu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Trackback Spamming?&lt;/strong&gt;
Could it be next? It loooks like Cheah Chu Yeow has fallen victim, and I myself may well have been a target the other day. Hey, it&#039;s like comment spamming (just as annoying!) except easier (you don&#039;t even have to...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Trackback Spamming?</strong><br />
Could it be next? It loooks like Cheah Chu Yeow has fallen victim, and I myself may well have been a target the other day. Hey, it&#8217;s like comment spamming (just as annoying!) except easier (you don&#8217;t even have to&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mercurial</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mercurial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Spam and censorship&lt;/strong&gt;
Cheah Chu Yeow, pondering about the trackback spammers, issues a warning to a possible TBS: I hope you aren&#039;t offended...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Spam and censorship</strong><br />
Cheah Chu Yeow, pondering about the trackback spammers, issues a warning to a possible TBS: I hope you aren&#8217;t offended&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: #!/bin/blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>#!/bin/blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;WTF is Cemper?&lt;/strong&gt;
When a mostly irrelevant old entry suddenly gets trackbacked out of the blue from someone else&#039;s old entry, it&#039;s time for some curiosity, especially if others have mentioned the word &quot;trackback spam&quot; already. The same behaviour has been observed by...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>WTF is Cemper?</strong><br />
When a mostly irrelevant old entry suddenly gets trackbacked out of the blue from someone else&#8217;s old entry, it&#8217;s time for some curiosity, especially if others have mentioned the word &#8220;trackback spam&#8221; already. The same behaviour has been observed by&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ben's Thought Crimes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben's Thought Crimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;TrackBack Spammers&lt;/strong&gt;
It&#039;s interesting that one of the the first things I saw when I got online tonight was the Top 10 Words of 2003 (via Jeremy&#039;s links) which lists &quot;spam&quot; and &quot;blog&quot; among the top 4. After leaving that I went...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>TrackBack Spammers</strong><br />
It&#8217;s interesting that one of the the first things I saw when I got online tonight was the Top 10 Words of 2003 (via Jeremy&#8217;s links) which lists &#8220;spam&#8221; and &#8220;blog&#8221; among the top 4. After leaving that I went&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: hebig.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>hebig.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;TrackBack spam from cemper.com&lt;/strong&gt;
It looks like I wasn&#039;t the only one getting pinged for no obvious reason. Says Cheah Chu Yeow: I&#039;ve no...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>TrackBack spam from cemper.com</strong><br />
It looks like I wasn&#8217;t the only one getting pinged for no obvious reason. Says Cheah Chu Yeow: I&#8217;ve no&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Evans Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Evans Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wish I&#039;d seen this when you wrote it. Yesterday I wrote my own entry about him after blacklisting him.  The first time he sent me a trackback is was more or less on topic. The second time was just dimly related. Then he started hitting me with wholly unrelated trackbacks.

Some of these are clearly an attempt to get his name to show up on Google as an authority to promote his IT consultancy.  The discussions about him will probably rank higher on Google and thus backfire on him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wish I&#8217;d seen this when you wrote it. Yesterday I wrote my own entry about him after blacklisting him.  The first time he sent me a trackback is was more or less on topic. The second time was just dimly related. Then he started hitting me with wholly unrelated trackbacks.</p>
<p>Some of these are clearly an attempt to get his name to show up on Google as an authority to promote his IT consultancy.  The discussions about him will probably rank higher on Google and thus backfire on him.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheah Chu Yeow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheah Chu Yeow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Camilo&lt;/strong&gt;: I read your &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.confusedkid.com/primer/archives/001590.html&quot;&gt;entry&lt;/a&gt; on your blog and you may be surprised that I do agree with most of your opinions. I must truly admit that I was a little pissed off at Cemper because it seemed to me like he was trying to gain traffic and backlinks - that made me want to submit his trackbacks to Jay&#039;s clearinghouse (which of course I didn&#039;t) for a while there.

Besides, if I&#039;d submitted it, Jay would have been on hand to point out that Cemper&#039;s actions don&#039;t classify him as a comment spammer and is out of the domain of the comment spam clearinghouse. For that we have Jay to thank for his tremendous efforts keeping the blacklist clean even with tons of spam submissions.

My idea of the comment spam clearinghouse&#039;s function was that it was there to prevent people who try to self-promote, gain exposure for, and seek backlinks for their websites on blogs without contributing to the &quot;discussion&quot; - an abuse of TrackBack. That is &lt;em&gt;my&lt;/em&gt; judgement of what Cemper was doing there as well, and for a moment there that made him (or rather his URL) eligible for submission to the clearinghouse to &lt;em&gt;me&lt;/em&gt;. Of course, that is a true misjudgement on my part.

I did not think to abuse the clearinghouse and never intend to. Quoting you (Camilo):
&lt;blockquote&gt;the idea of the clearinghouse used as a way to silence anyone with whom we disagree&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I fully agree with that and I do not appreciate being adjudged to be attempting to use the clearinghouse to silence Cemper, even though I disagree with his idea of when a TrackBack ping should be sent.

&lt;strong&gt;Joanne&lt;/strong&gt;: I agree with you on a possible need for a counterpart to the clearinghouse, although I&#039;m not certain of how rampant TrackBack abuse is. Perhaps this is just the beginning of a wave of trackback abuse as you&#039;ve said. When the time comes, we have Jay&#039;s pioneering efforts to guide us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Camilo</strong>: I read your <a href="http://www.confusedkid.com/primer/archives/001590.html">entry</a> on your blog and you may be surprised that I do agree with most of your opinions. I must truly admit that I was a little pissed off at Cemper because it seemed to me like he was trying to gain traffic and backlinks &#8211; that made me want to submit his trackbacks to Jay&#8217;s clearinghouse (which of course I didn&#8217;t) for a while there.</p>
<p>Besides, if I&#8217;d submitted it, Jay would have been on hand to point out that Cemper&#8217;s actions don&#8217;t classify him as a comment spammer and is out of the domain of the comment spam clearinghouse. For that we have Jay to thank for his tremendous efforts keeping the blacklist clean even with tons of spam submissions.</p>
<p>My idea of the comment spam clearinghouse&#8217;s function was that it was there to prevent people who try to self-promote, gain exposure for, and seek backlinks for their websites on blogs without contributing to the &#8220;discussion&#8221; &#8211; an abuse of TrackBack. That is <em>my</em> judgement of what Cemper was doing there as well, and for a moment there that made him (or rather his URL) eligible for submission to the clearinghouse to <em>me</em>. Of course, that is a true misjudgement on my part.</p>
<p>I did not think to abuse the clearinghouse and never intend to. Quoting you (Camilo):</p>
<blockquote><p>the idea of the clearinghouse used as a way to silence anyone with whom we disagree</p></blockquote>
<p>I fully agree with that and I do not appreciate being adjudged to be attempting to use the clearinghouse to silence Cemper, even though I disagree with his idea of when a TrackBack ping should be sent.</p>
<p><strong>Joanne</strong>: I agree with you on a possible need for a counterpart to the clearinghouse, although I&#8217;m not certain of how rampant TrackBack abuse is. Perhaps this is just the beginning of a wave of trackback abuse as you&#8217;ve said. When the time comes, we have Jay&#8217;s pioneering efforts to guide us.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne Jacobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanne Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony is that the trackback on the Movable Type blacklist entry may be a heads-up for a need for the same kind of ping blacklist.  This isn&#039;t about fame; it&#039;s about notoriety.  

I, too, received the same trackback ping on an entry for my own blog about Jay&#039;s software from Christoph.  I ignored it and deleted it once I&#039;d established there was no direct quote of my own site: it seemed a rather bald-faced attempt at self-promotion to me.  But I am glad you have responded in this manner.  This is, perhaps, the beginning of a wave of trackback abuse.  And it&#039;s best that we nip it in the bud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony is that the trackback on the Movable Type blacklist entry may be a heads-up for a need for the same kind of ping blacklist.  This isn&#8217;t about fame; it&#8217;s about notoriety.  </p>
<p>I, too, received the same trackback ping on an entry for my own blog about Jay&#8217;s software from Christoph.  I ignored it and deleted it once I&#8217;d established there was no direct quote of my own site: it seemed a rather bald-faced attempt at self-promotion to me.  But I am glad you have responded in this manner.  This is, perhaps, the beginning of a wave of trackback abuse.  And it&#8217;s best that we nip it in the bud.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will...

We&#039;ve already had one trackback &quot;misunderstnding&quot; with the guy who runs ClarkBot.  It was resolved peacefully, as it should be.

Cemper has sent quite a few pings my way as well.  The first few, I went over to see what it was about and was confunded.  His post seemingly had nothing to do with the post on my site.  After a few of those, I just simply started ignoring them.  

That is, of course, the result over over-Trackbacking: you lose credibility and people ignore you.  

In my opinion, it isn&#039;t spamming (in the Comment Spam Cleaqringhouse sense), but it is rather annoying.  And if it continues, I can bet that certain people will elect to add people who do this to their own blacklist installation.

But this is not the domain of the Comment Spam Clearinghouse.  Cemper is a blogger and a prolific one at that.  He is not a bottom-feeder  like the porn and pills spammer.  He simply needs to understand that trackbacks are conversation.  If you &quot;talk&quot; too much, people will avoid you at the party...</description>
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<p>We&#8217;ve already had one trackback &#8220;misunderstnding&#8221; with the guy who runs ClarkBot.  It was resolved peacefully, as it should be.</p>
<p>Cemper has sent quite a few pings my way as well.  The first few, I went over to see what it was about and was confunded.  His post seemingly had nothing to do with the post on my site.  After a few of those, I just simply started ignoring them.  </p>
<p>That is, of course, the result over over-Trackbacking: you lose credibility and people ignore you.  </p>
<p>In my opinion, it isn&#8217;t spamming (in the Comment Spam Cleaqringhouse sense), but it is rather annoying.  And if it continues, I can bet that certain people will elect to add people who do this to their own blacklist installation.</p>
<p>But this is not the domain of the Comment Spam Clearinghouse.  Cemper is a blogger and a prolific one at that.  He is not a bottom-feeder  like the porn and pills spammer.  He simply needs to understand that trackbacks are conversation.  If you &#8220;talk&#8221; too much, people will avoid you at the party&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Camilo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Camilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post is relevant, although I have a question: what happens when people start retaliating against posts that annoy them by sending them to Jay&#039;s clearinghouse? Mark Pilgrim posted about that: who is going to make sure our clearinghouse remains pure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post is relevant, although I have a question: what happens when people start retaliating against posts that annoy them by sending them to Jay&#8217;s clearinghouse? Mark Pilgrim posted about that: who is going to make sure our clearinghouse remains pure?</p>
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